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got to talk about finding genes for ESP

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so most psychological traits have

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genetic basis normal s experience and

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shamanism probably have genetic basis

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shamanism shamanism has been practiced

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for last 60,000 years that's plenty of

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time for it to have had evolutionary

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effects many folklore traditions say

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that ESP is inherited and here's a

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Scottish study that shows that's the

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case so here's a gene hunting strategy

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and you and I could use this and we

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could use this to determine whether

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there's ESP genes I'm not going to ask

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any research questions that I can't

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answer so we could if we want to we

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could answer the question are is there

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genetic basis for ESP here's our recipe

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okay we need an evolutionary theory

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explaining the gene I'm going to present

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two theories we're going to think about

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them at the end I'm going to revise them

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ok identify phono typic markers in my

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case is going to be questionnaire items

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this is in relationship to the genes

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conduct a community survey ok regular

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people from the community analyze the

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results using correlational mapping

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what's that that's that's mapping where

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your we arrange the data points each

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data point in relation to all the other

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data points on the basis with to their

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correlation with each other so that the

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data points that are closest have the

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highest correlation is correlational

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mapping and the theory is if your

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evolutionary theory is correct and

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you're selecting the variables from the

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theory then you do this correlational

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mapping where there's clusters that's

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going to signify an underlying allele or

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a gene that varies by by the nature of

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the process ok then when you're finished

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you revise the theories in response to

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your findings that's the present state

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that's what I'm going to be reporting on

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right now in order to find the genes you

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obtain DNA from the individuals who have

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the phenotypic markers or who respond

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and the way that you want to the

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questionnaire item you obtain DNA from

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relatives you give it to your biological

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friends they compare they come up but

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they what they would do is I come up

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with a candidate list of alleles okay

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then you replicate the study with

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another ethnic group and with another

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ethnic group and you've found your ESP

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gene okay once you have it you can use

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reverse phenotyping you figure out what

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it actually does you can make progress

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we've been going to these meetings for

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decades this is a way we can make real

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progress if you had a gene you'd have

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something real it would put pair of

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psychology on the map okay so here's our

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plan we're going to make theories we're

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going to find common unusual experiences

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we're going to devise questionnaire

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items we're going to give a

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questionnaire to community sample got to

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do correlational mappings going to

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revise the theory long time ago in the

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1980s I did a study of shamans okay I

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interviewed about three dozen shamans

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what's the pattern that unifies all the

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stories well the one thing I would just

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wanted to look at you a little bit

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the one thing that unifies all those

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stories of the shamans I interviewed was

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anomalous experience that's how their

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life started off then they were

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socialized to become shamans the other

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thing was that all the shamanic rituals

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involved hypnotic suggestion and placebo

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effects that's why it worked I mean

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there's there could be paranormal

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phenomena but when they do the

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ceremonies hypnotic suggestion and

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placebo effects were what seemed to make

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it work so that led to what I call a

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ritual healing theory here's how it

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childhood shamah leads to and I call

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these shamanic variables absorption

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dissociation hypnosis and some other

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variables all of these areas are

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axiomatic the variables lead to a normal

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experience this is a correlation there's

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about a dozen studies the correlations

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in the neighborhood of 0.3 or 0.4

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anomalous experiences lead to shamanic

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beliefs this is known as the

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experiential source theory okay people

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have the experiences that leads to some

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police how do you test that theory right

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here in this room there's people in this

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room who have had many many extra

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sensory experiences that has produced

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powerful beliefs belief in spirits Souls

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life after death magical abilities

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spirits Souls life after death magical

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abilities it's not really a matter of

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belief for these people they know they

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know and that capacity of knowing if

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they are socialized to be a shaman they

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can be a shaman & perdue rituals the

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rituals produce the placebo and hypnotic

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effects and you have a cycle the people

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who respond to the rituals have certain

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genetic the according to the theory this

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has genetic basis people who respond to

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the shaman rituals survive people who

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don't respond have a lower potential for

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survival so over the last sixty thousand

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years the cycle has been going around

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we have been selecting four genes okay

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now I haven't defined exactly how to

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measure these we're going to look into

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that that's how the study works so

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parapsychologists didn't like the theory

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so much because you don't really where's

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the ESP or you haven't not buying into

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this well in offer so you know so here's

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a another theory of sheep theory sheep

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theory says you've got your ESP alleles

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at least two experiences that provides

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benefit the alleles are selected for

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you've got a sheep theory so now we have

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two theories we're in business we can

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continue our research project okay in

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1980s of 1996 I had my students ask

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respondents if you've had a very unusual

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experience would you describe it

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collected over 1,500 narratives we

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categorized the narratives we got

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and then we created another category

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okay these are our questionnaire

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variables how often have you had the

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exploring experiences there's no list

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then we ask the people melissa is

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dependent on empirical research so we

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know that large number of people have

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had all those things this is what led me

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to do the present study in 1989 Morosky

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and Ross did a study where they used

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correlational mapping which I plan to

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use okay

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which they categorize at 11 diagnostic

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analyzing this data and the method

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involved the configuration of the data

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did it fall into a galaxy pattern a

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nebula pattern or spectrum pattern when

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because it falls into a galaxy pattern

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that suggests that the variables don't

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share alleles okay it's a nebula pattern

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that's like a sceptical argue but they

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do share alleles and so maybe the

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psychiatric diagnosis ease aren't valid

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if they're all mixed together spectrum

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variable causes them to be highly

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correlated well in my present study I'll

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just use that same method of analysis

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will be the psychological symptoms plus

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it falls in a galaxy pattern that

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supports the sheep hypothesis because

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the Sheep they believe that the

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wonderful extrasensory perception is not

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the same as psychosis they're separate

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are mixed together if they're the same

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hypothesis if they're layered on each

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other that means some other variable

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calls them be highly correlated that

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board okay so here's what mirowski came

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the psychiatric variables are mixed up

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with each other so that challenges the

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DSM paradigm so even though this is the

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study is presented to all graduate

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students the DSM paradigm or our method

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it anyway even though it's not really

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very suitable for research but my

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spectrum wears out-of-body experience

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where's our list how are these variables

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be how would it be arranged and I don't

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blues musician math Fats Waller you

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find out okay here's how we do it we

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absorption scale to associate experience

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space available there the variables were

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hypnotizability which I thought was

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central to my theory okay variables

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predicted of psychopathology I threw

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them because I wanted to get a scale I

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wanted to get a reference someone to see

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the correlational mapping would show how

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strong my variables were compared the

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things which were supposed to predict be

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predictive of psychopathology childhood

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difficulty it's not a special life scale

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predominantly African Americans I'm in

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northeastern North Carolina gender age

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ethnicity employment somewhere there's

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incomes got it there it is there's the

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income income is known to be perhaps the

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best predictor of mental disorder so we

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questionnaires so given to 865 people

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African American these are poor people's

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here's the pret the incidence of

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experienced paranormal dream 66% UFOs

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knew the incidence this is the same

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incidence as the students had that's the

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african-americans have a higher

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incidence of sleep paralysis for some

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reason now as part of my study

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hypotheses relate to another study

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because we're interested in sleep

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paralysis and high blood pressure

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whether there would be a correlation and

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there was not to our surprise

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well they replicated we this my study

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replicated Morosky and what Ross's

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symptom wheel it had a nebula

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configuration and then the question is

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where will the unusual experiences be

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located on this map so here's the answer

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our first answer to a research question

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here's what it looks like let's see how

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my laser will do here are the unusual

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experiences my ladies are clear enough

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for you here's all the psychological

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variables here's all the psychiatric the

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schizophrenia variables all our unusual

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experiences are clustered together right

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above the schizophrenia symptoms okay so

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there's your answer

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so that's strange but uh Chris you see

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William Everett in his previous study

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talking about childhood trauma and

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mediums showed a correlation and so he

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shouldn't be too surprised and alexandre

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para that I talked about mediumship and

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schizotypy saying there's a correlation

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there's a lot of evidence shows showing

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that propensity for unusual experiences

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is correlated with these symptoms which

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are related to psychosis

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and so this is what the data shows and

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so I'm I need to adjust it my brain

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thinking okay better start thinking

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along these lines is a real connection

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between the things were most interested

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in here's our eat whoops let's see I

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messed up my thing

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here's ESP right here okay

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there's apparitions here's paranormal

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dreams all lying above the schizophrenia

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let's continue our analysis here's

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another chart schizophrenia symptoms

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show manic burials unusual experiences

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this is this has a spectrum

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configuration okay that supports the

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ritual healing theory that was our plan

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right here's our unusual experiences

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here's our schizophrenia symptoms here's

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our Shaw Matic variables forming a very

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tight cluster all grouped together

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here's difficulty in childhood and

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difficulty in adolescence these two

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places here's the UFOs down here so how

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this wraps around let's look at another

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analysis well here's our funny the

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spectrum configuration supports the

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ritual healing Theory childhood trauma

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stress probably causes high correlations

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among schizophrenia symptoms shamanic

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variables prevent propensity for unusual

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experiences that causes that kind of

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layering phenomena unusual experiences

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to not share alleles with traumatic

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variables or schizophrenia symptoms so

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it doesn't really support the you know

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the skeptic hypothesis here's the here's

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the big picture which will look at

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correlational clusters

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what's clustered with ESP okay there's

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our cluster right here waking ESP

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paranormal dreams apparitions possible

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share that allele

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not a very tight cluster let's look at

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another analogy whole configuration

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there's another cluster the the small

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clusters has waking ESP apparitions out

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about experience and then we look at a

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larger cluster here as waking SP so

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here's our phenotypic markers perhaps

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waking SP apparitions paranormal dreams

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OBE that kind of fits in with the ritual

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hearing theory it's not a very tight

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cluster but I don't I will

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talk about this later oh here's a note

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ESP and PK are not clustered so our

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variable size not a valid variable it's

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not a truce and that doesn't cluster

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together naturally that was just a cut

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something of convenience I'm not sure

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what you can say about that

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here's the big picture we'll look at all

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the variables in the study and you'll

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notice here on the left is age income

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it's they're correlated its correlated

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here's our our psychiatric variables

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that are variables our ESP and other

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things like that and our shamanic

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variables are highly clustered with

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symptom variables here with surrounded

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by the Circle Line okay now here's the

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twist in the story the story has a

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strange twist to it well I'm working on

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this I'm thinking wow extrasensory

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perception seems to be related to

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psychosis and millions of dollars are

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being spent to locate the genes

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connected with psychosis they're gonna

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come across our ESP genes for us

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naturally we won't have to pay a penny

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okay all during the 1990s 2000 2010

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they're not finding major out Leal's

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connected with schizophrenia now they're

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telling us that maybe there's hundreds

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of genes connected to schizophrenia

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none of them particular importance it's

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a heartbreaking finding for these

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researchers okay they failed to locate

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major schizophrenia alleles but they did

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find a gene connected with at eligible

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sorption scale and of course my ritual

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healing theory predicts that I predict

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that I'll find some more I pretty this

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is available for us to find here's a

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theory which explains this phenomenon

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the Keller and Miller polygenic mutation

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selection theory the hypothesize that

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consciousness has an evolutionary had it

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on factor others were going through this

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progression a small brain larger brain

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consciousness is evolving and layers of

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modules are being added on over time

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like the ability to symbolize and to use

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linguistic ability series of modules

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have been added on during the

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evolutionary process random mutations

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disrupting earlier modules cause

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dysfunction

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some later modules because the brains

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are really interconnected hold okay the

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theory of module hasn't been proven but

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it allows me I can make a schematic

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diagram to illustrate what they're

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saying say there's a random mutation

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here in the earlier module that's going

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to cost disruptions in a later module

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more disruptions say there's an

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absorption shamanic module here that

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leads to maybe will have ESP and PK if

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not maybe we'll have psychosis or maybe

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other disorders in the later modules

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it's caused by random mutations from not

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specific genes so there's an alternate

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theory random mutations are the source

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possible source of ESP and pk okay here

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this I explained the polygenic mutation

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selection theory and say well we need to

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make a revised theory you know I read

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them the middle one here the apologetic

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mutation selection theory explains the

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genetic basis Universal features

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sporadic nature ongoing incidents and

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correlation with psychosis of unknown

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anomalous experiences assuming that a

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disruption of normal consciousness

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facilitates anomalous perception and

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that's what Morris Friedman is saying to

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you and at all his or his group are

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saying this morning disruption and

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normal consciousness make be that what

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really is going on here let's look at a

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revised theory sheep theory we'll just

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leave it the way it is because we

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haven't really generated evidence to to

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refute it if if this theory is valid it

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should be very easy to find these genes

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okay that's something to think about

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we could get together and pass out

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questions or identify people find the

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gene okay let's think about the gods

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fell in Eastern traditions normal

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consciousness and inhibits of reception

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of extrasensory information

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Eastern mystical traditions argue that

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normal consciousness clouds perception

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of ultimate reality so random mutations

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disrupt normal consciousness and

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sometimes these corruption disruptions

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are sporadic and temporary shamanic

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pretent propensity have evolved to cope

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with these structured disruptions we

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have like the wounded hinder hill or

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syndrome a problem too many random

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mutations what do you do about it you

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become a shaman

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okay so let's come up with a revised

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theory here's the revised ritual healing

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theory we've got the random mutations

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here stress trauma here's our psychosis

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another ski so tippy

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we'll make a little bar here you know

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our previous people like you know Ingo

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lam Brett he talked about a continuum of

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the mastery of voices here's our

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continuum Chris Rowe talked about

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experiencing leading you know experience

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led to practice so here we have

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socialization shamanism dramatic

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variables around here's our cycle going

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on for 60,000 years Chris Rowe talked

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about experiencing process William

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Everest talked about childhood trauma

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and mediums the papers were presenting

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coincide with this theory so here's my

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revised ritual healing theory and I'm

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[Applause]

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okay first really briefly I would

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caution you in being surprised that ESP

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and PK don't cluster cuz they may be

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very very different things just because

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there are two things we can't explain

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doesn't mean they're not in their own

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right very different but moving on all

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of the alleles that you're talking about

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are defined like by the mapping the

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human genome mapping project right oh

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that's how these alleles are defined the

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ones that have names and but the alleles

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I'm talking about have not been found we

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haven't we haven't found a gene for ESP

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but when you were saying like will

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question people and then we'll look at

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their DNA and okay well we'll pass out

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questionnaires we'll identify a category

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of individuals who have a high incidence

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of extrasensory perception out-of-body

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experience like that will give them take

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DNA samples from this people will give

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the questionnaire to the family members

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and locate a family member who has had

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no experiences take their DNA that then

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becomes a case and then you're just

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comparing the whole genome the whole all

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of the DNA and in the people who do have

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the experience compared to

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the DNA compared in the people that

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don't have the experience and will need

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to gather a number of cases yeah but

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when you do that you're using primers

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and things based on known gene sequences

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right I assume so yes and all we know

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all the genes we know are genes that

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code proteins right okay I'm not an

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expert I'm going to give this DNA to the

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bot my biological friends and let them

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do this okay oh we know our genes that

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code for proteins but every cell in

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every body for eons have spent the

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cellular energy copying and and making

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sure that the daughter cells have this

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95% junk DNA that doesn't code for any

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proteins so but it does something we

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keep we keep bringing it along to every

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new cell so if it is where if it's

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holding information about ESP that

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doesn't code for proteins

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we never know we'd never call it a gene

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because we just say it's junk DNA and

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throw it out so if you're looking at the

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whole sequence but that's yeah I've know

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you're like a byte you're a geneticist

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is gonna do that and that well seems

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like you're never gonna find it because

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if it's not a protein and which I don't

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think it's going to be you're the

556
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problem you're describing as a problem

557
00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:47,590
there's a schizophrenia researchers are

558
00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:49,900
facing right now and others they thought

559
00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:51,820
they could find a gene but they did not

560
00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:54,220
find it so now they're doing but now

561
00:23:59,039 --> 00:23:56,590
that that entail that that does this it

562
00:24:01,860 --> 00:23:59,049
hasn't worked for them because it also

563
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:01,870
might be in that junk DNA not coding

564
00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:03,250
another protein may not work for us

565
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:06,100
correct might not find a gene I'm just

566
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:07,720
saying keep that in mind there's a lot

567
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:10,809
we don't understand about the 95 percent

568
00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:13,450
of the genome we keep around through

569
00:24:21,149 --> 00:24:17,740
evolution so it must do something that's

570
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:24,190
hello but from reading the literature

571
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,809
they're telling me okay if the gene

572
00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:29,600
exists you can find it if the gene

573
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,870
exists you can find it okay go ahead

574
00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:34,640
early on in your talk you referenced and

575
00:24:37,539 --> 00:24:36,830
used the term placebo effect several

576
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:37,549
times

577
00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:39,950
I've been doing some maverick research

578
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,440
for many years in the rely were found a

579
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:44,960
verifiable repeatable what I refer to as

580
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:47,690
a sin tropic effect in the sweet zone of

581
00:24:51,399 --> 00:24:49,700
receive effect now what you're talking

582
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:51,409
about you seem too sweet to possible

583
00:24:56,529 --> 00:24:54,140
effect which is the outcome of many of

584
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,539
these shamanic mystical experiences you

585
00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:58,159
just kind of seem to sweep it away as

586
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,010
it's an anomalous effect perhaps all on

587
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:02,480
your head type of experience it has no

588
00:25:08,770 --> 00:25:07,250
physiology or actual well physiological

589
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,780
effect to it other than imagine a Tori

590
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:10,640
effect as well Lucido effect which gets

591
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,190
dismissed I call it the placebo Saurus

592
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:15,520
kind of like to grill it in the room

593
00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:17,990
okay I don't

594
00:25:22,029 --> 00:25:19,190
I didn't mean to sweep anything under

595
00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:22,039
the rug I don't know I do not never

596
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:23,960
really could figure it out or understand

597
00:25:28,510 --> 00:25:25,490
exactly what it is or define it

598
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,520
perfectly and hypnosis has a similar

599
00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:32,000
problem I think but there are people who

600
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:34,220
are delving into this the question as to

601
00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:36,110
the genetic basis of the placebo effect

602
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:38,870
that's beyond my understanding also and

603
00:25:43,299 --> 00:25:41,090
I'm not sure about that but the genetic

604
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:43,309
basis of hypnosis it's pretty clear that

605
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:46,760
vadik that it is findable yeah it's

606
00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:48,440
congratulation for your paper my

607
00:25:55,659 --> 00:25:51,559
question is about the parental is tail

608
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:55,669
in many channels and because we have

609
00:26:01,930 --> 00:25:58,490
certain Argentina many studies in groups

610
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:01,940
with mediums psychics healers and also

611
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:05,360
dowsers for example and the childhood

612
00:26:10,659 --> 00:26:08,350
trauma is a variable that impact in the

613
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:10,669
development of this kind of abilities

614
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:13,730
but we observed for example that the

615
00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:16,520
parent ala style the treatment of the

616
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:19,280
parents in the childhood of the psychics

617
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:23,690
healers and and so on produce some kind

618
00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:28,490
of effect of the produce of that this

619
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:31,309
kind of experience in the adult life

620
00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:32,180
right

621
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:35,540
my question is what is your opinion

622
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:37,970
instead the genetic theory the

623
00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:41,840
transgenerational styles or the parental

624
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:45,230
style in this kind of people that

625
00:26:52,540 --> 00:26:49,520
produce experience or paranormal

626
00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:52,550
phenomena in the adult life well I don't

627
00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:55,700
know about that I don't I I work in a

628
00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:57,740
psychiatric hospital and I know that

629
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:00,620
childhood trauma leads to psychiatric

630
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:04,460
problems but I and I have talked to so

631
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:06,260
many shamans but they generally don't

632
00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:09,560
talk about their so much the the

633
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:14,680
childhood trauma so I I'm not sure okay

634
00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:18,080
but we observed the negligent parents

635
00:27:24,670 --> 00:27:22,550
maybe is it variable that module between

636
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:24,680
the paranormal phenomena and the

637
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:28,730
childhood trauma was some kind of effect

638
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:31,250
right borrowing my theory and borrowing

639
00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:33,650
from the psych psychiatric literature

640
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:35,990
and borrowing from the stress diet

641
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:39,010
diocese theory with regard to psychosis

642
00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:41,570
but that was when they thought there was

643
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,160
a gene so they thought that gene would

644
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:45,200
explain the genetic basis now there

645
00:27:49,390 --> 00:27:47,690
isn't any so this must be the rant maybe

646
00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:49,400
you know the random but yeah the

647
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:51,800
certainly the way a person is raised as

648
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,230
a person as a genetic propensity and the

649
00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:56,000
way they are raised determined whether a

650
00:28:01,410 --> 00:27:57,950
disorder are manifest I would assume it

651
00:28:04,330 --> 00:28:01,420
would determine how whether the psyche

652
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:04,340
paranormal experience due to the

653
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:06,350
shortness of our time I'll limit myself

654
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:09,590
to commenting that your argument about

655
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:12,710
halfway through the talk for which type

656
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,270
of clustering would support which

657
00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:16,880
hypothesis ignores the fact that's been

658
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:18,680
repeatedly mentioned in this conference

659
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:21,320
that many kinds of anomalous experiences

660
00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:23,630
will lead to a misdiagnosis of

661
00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:31,550
psychopathology that's what they found

662
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:34,820
is all these overlapping symptoms so I

663
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:36,950
don't see where there's a dilemma or a

664
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:47,900
Oh

665
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:54,999
I'm sorry

666
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,319
Stevan Kessler's book describes the

667
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:00,559
relationship between certain kinds of

668
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:02,849
pathologies and/or gifts including

669
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,609
psychic gifts related to the stage of

670
00:29:09,439 --> 00:29:07,679
development at which child develops the